You did, actually. You know, it was actually interesting. My team, when we were setting up my reset, they were like, so we would like you to have landscapes and and things like that. And because that's what other people have done. And I remember looking at them and says, but that that is not me. That would actually those landscapes would not relax me.

Yes.

And I just went to the really what makes me smile? What what breaks do you know when you're going down a a route where you're not happy? I was like, what makes me smile? What makes what takes me out of it? And that's why I picked those things. But it's a great example of how reset is just effective. Right? Look at us smiling. I know.

I know. I love it. And I'll you know, I want to use your reset as an example of how different resets can be. Because our two resets couldn't be any more different.

Exactly.

And yet the the impact, the effect they have on us Mhmm. Both individually and together, is what resets are meant to do.

And and I really I would say as well, what I love about resets is how they give you a glimpse, as you said. It's like in sixty seconds Yes. You get a sense of what people care about. And when you think about when you work with people, first thing is you wanna understand who they are if you wanna work well with them. It's a great first step. Microsteps. Microsteps.

And, you know, because we're also data people, we've used resets in contact centers. And the results have been amazing. You know, just three resets a day because you know how they protect every minute of the agents' time, and reducing stress, improving customer success, success, and having a real impact just with three minutes a day. And now in places like AT and T, we started getting some anecdotal, the kind of testimonials. And somebody said, you know, if they offered us ten minutes, I would rather say give us sixty seconds and let's play the reset. Wow. Because if you have ten minutes or five minutes, most people are likely to go online.

Well, they're gonna take their phones and they're gonna stroll and they're gonna get their emails and

Yes. Go

on social media. Yeah. Text and then get stressed.

The news, and it's more stressful. So again, it's like that's part again of the coach giving you what your better self knows you need at that moment as opposed to when we operate from being depleted or just kind of wanting a quick dopamine hit Yep. And going down the rabbit hole of social media.

So when we think about AI, we've all been talking about responsible AI. So in the context of well-being and the coach that you're building for us to help us in our lives, How do you think about responsibility in that context?

Well, I think it's really important to ask some of the more philosophical questions that we have kind of been ignoring, but human beings have been asking them for centuries in every tradition, in every country. And I think when we ask these fundamental questions, you know, what is a good life? What is it like to be a human being? Because we are now in a situation, Hayet, as you know, when the cognitive abilities of AI are going to be greater than the cognitive abilities of a human Mhmm. Within three to five years, depending on who you talk to. I did a fireside chat with Sam Altman, and I asked him about having children, which he wants to have. And I said, what's the world that your children are going to come into? He said, my children will be the first generation of children that will never be more intelligent than AI. So if you look at that, then we need to ask the question, what is it to be human? It's clearly not going to be about IQ. Mhmm. It's not just going to be about EQ either. It's going to be about this deeper reality of empathy, wisdom, resilience. So increasingly, these are qualities that we want AI to be able to help humans cultivate. And so when I think of responsible AI and building AI responsibly, I always want to connect it to these fundamental questions. Because for a very long time, going back to the enlightenment and to have said, I think, therefore I am. Mhmm. And that's no longer going to be the case.

It's gonna be different for sure.

It's going to be different. I think it's going to be much more about wisdom than IQ.

It's actually very interesting. In that context, though, when you think about the coach, it's all gonna be about personalization and making it very relevant to you, to me, to everybody based on our own needs. Yes. So from a data perspective, you're gonna have to collect a lot of information around my preferences, what I'm doing at work, what I like, what I don't like, the poetry I may wanna read. So when you think about this aspect and you're building your coach, how are you making sure that people maybe don't feel like we're watching them? Because that could be Absolutely. A key blocker you will face with people.

So what is interesting, and I'm sure you have found that in your work, is that when people get value, they don't mind sharing data. I think people don't want to share data if they believe that data is going to be monetized, you know, to sell advertising. But but when they get value, we find that they they see this as a good exchange.

It's such a great point.

But, again, of course, it has to be used responsibly. But if it's used for the benefit of the user and the company doesn't use it to make a profit, that's going to be the key.

I love this answer. If it's in the benefit of the user, they should be okay with their data being collected. And I think you're right. I think most of the time what we've seen is people push back when they don't see what's in it for them.

Yes.

And they feel you're just collecting their data. When you talk about humanizing data, can you give us an example of what you're thinking about?

Yes. So whether we're working with corporate employees or frontline workers, we see that the data we collect can be humanized when we tell stories. So let me give you an example. We work with Walmart. They have one point six million associates. Most of them are, you know, on their feet all day, working in the stores, many of them dealing with obesity or prediabetes or hypertension. We are working with them on this six we we varied another behavior, which is money, because financial stress on top of the five behaviors can be a huge source of stress. So we also use financial rewards. So Walmart gives us a million dollars a year to spend, giving people an extra incentive to participate in these behavioral challenges and make money at the end. And the biggest prize at the end of the year is fifty thousand dollars, which is a significant amount of money. So the stories, in order to participate in receiving one of these rewards, you have to tell us a story of what you did. And the stories are so moving, and they elevate what we are doing beyond these are so many people who participated, and this is what they did to this individual story, this one person. And there's one story that I actually have on my desk because it moves me so much. She was one of the winners, and she actually wrote it on her personal Facebook. It wasn't even the story she submitted. And, her job is to stock shelves from eight PM to eight AM in a Walmart store in upstate New York. And she wrote how she participated in the Thrive Challenge, working on her sleep, her food, movement. She lost thirty four pounds. But what she she wrote is was so moving. She said, this is so different from winning the lottery because it's changed my life. It just it hasn't just changed my weight or how I look. It's changed how I live. It's changed how I bring up my children. It's changed my relationship with, my husband. And she said if you came to my home now, you would see my kitchen full of, tangerines and almonds instead of, chips and cookies. And she brought it home in a way which I think we have to be doing a better job at, making more accessible to people.

I just love this because it really back to your pillar of connection. Because you can then connect to those stories, and then you can see the possibilities for you. Exactly. Earlier about hope and people losing hope. This is a way to get hope. Think about this story. It's just amazing. She's saying I just fundamentally changed the way I live. It's not about losing weight.

Yes. Exactly. That's like a minor thing.

That must be dissatisfying to have that kind of impact. Very exciting. So I think anybody listening right now wants to get a coach. They want this coach. So what does the future look like? When can we get access to the coach?

Well, we are working on it now. Mhmm. Like you, we are big believers in launching, not an MVP, but an MLP, minimum lovable product. Yep. And, and iterating and getting feedback and seeing what works. And so that's what we're going to do. As soon as we feel ready do and continuously iterating. I'm

I'm gonna be the first candidate. I will admit. I need it.

You know, I love it when when Sam Altman said that Chargegbt four sucks. And what he meant is that compared to Chargegbt five it will suck. And, you know, he said it's my job to make sure it does. Mhmm. So that's part of constantly making something better.

I agree. Iteration, learning from the people who use it, and adapting. So now as we close and as we think about AI, looping back to AI, what gets you the most excited when you look ahead? Beyond building the coach, when you think about AI, what do you think about?

What makes me most excited is addressing the health care crisis. And that, like, brings together, my life now working on well-being and health and my life through, the Huffington Post and writing political books because I I I think that the growing health inequities are not just a failure of policy, a failure of resource allocation. They're a moral failure. Mhmm. Because when people are sick, and the majority of people are in one way or another, what happens is that they lose hope. And you see a lot of the polarization, is because people are losing hope, and they look for scapegoats. Mhmm. And so I feel that everything I care about is coming together on this, you know, the new technologies and what will make it possible. This big unsustainable health care crisis that we are facing, and also the opportunity to reduce unnecessary suffering. You know? One of the things we haven't done a good job on is putting flesh and blood on the data. Mhmm. You know, humanizing the data. Last year in America, there are hundred and fifty thousand foot and leg amputations of people who have diabetes, which is completely barbaric, completely avoidable. You know, diabetes, first of all, it's a preventable disease. But even if it's not prevented, it's a completely Treatable. Treatable disease. That's what I'm I'm really most excited about and have a sense of urgency about because wherever you look, you see that unnecessary suffering.

So inspiring. That's why we wanted to talk to you. Because, you know, a lot of people right now point to technology and see only evil. But I think as you said it, it's what we make of the tool. And in this case, if we can create this GPS cell a soul, right, then really help people help themselves because only you can help yourself. Right? And but just if you can have this life coach that can point you in the right direction, remind you you're off set versus what you wanted to do. That would be so powerful. And to your point, we could help so many.

So many. And it would make people so much more productive. I mean, just think of it. Mhmm. You know, when people are dealing with health crisis or even when there's somebody in their families. We have all the data that shows how it reduces productivity.

And even, I would say, a lot of people don't realize they have a health crisis. That's the worst. You think you're okay, and then you realize you're not okay. So we're excited. We can't wait to see it. Well,